Curse

Grim Lich · Jun 08, 2009, 03:30 AM // 03:30

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

So when you look at it, they could indeed be preparing to attack each other. It really depends on how long they have been around (as in awake, active and on the surface).

I've always assumed that. We got a bunch of dragons raising armies in different parts Tyria. If it's that easy for them to single handly merc stuff (I mean lifting Orr is pimp, and making an army of destroyers while you sleep is even pimper) why would they need an army unless they were going to attack each other?

I think we assume Primodius is the leader because we were fomally introduced to him first. Also he looks awesome.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 08, 2009, 04:19 AM // 04:19

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

It really depends on how long they have been around (as in awake, active and on the surface).

From what I've noticed, Primordus wakes up about in 1118 AE, Orr rises 60-100 years after EotN (1138 AE - 1178 AE), Drakkar wakes up at about 1225 AE (100 years prior to GW2). The Deep Sea Dragon woke up after the Orrian Dragon and before "Grothmar," and "Grothmar" woke up "just a few years" before GW2.

So, some have time to build their army and attack, others like Grothmar, do not.

Obrien Xp · Jun 08, 2009, 10:16 PM // 22:16

Anyways, I'm going to stick with the belief that the Grothmar Dragon is not on the map to scale. Though you cannot explore it exactly, it has clouded parts all over, that may cause it to be inflated.

The 8th · Jun 08, 2009, 10:30 PM // 22:30

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Originally Posted by vamp08

Not to mention debating over a fantasy creature is not screaming "vergin!" loud enough in your ears?

Wrong place wrong time. Some would argue that not only playing an MMO but posting on a forum dedicated to discussing and analyzing said MMO would amount to about the same.

..and with that out of the way, I'm thinking the dragons are gonna wake up and begin waging war against eachother. I doubt they'll regard everything else on the planets as much more than rescources to be used against the other dragons. I'm gettin' all sort of giddy C'Tan vibes from the ancient dragon plotline but I think I'm gonna have to save my insane theories and elaborations for when I'm fed a little bit more info.

..off topic? What? Oh right, the original issue. I still really think it was just a scaling error that ANet hoped nobody would notice. They shoulda really known better though. I'm pretty sure there's a thread floating arounnd here somewhere debating how many real steps it would take to get from LA to AC. >.>

Operative 14 · Jun 09, 2009, 02:10 AM // 02:10

Another way to look at it is that Grothmar might not be a 'dragon' in the traditional sense. Primordious looks like an encyclopedic example of what a dragon should look like. Drakkar, however has these weird spiky arms, a flattened head, and looks like a cross between a Preying Mantis and a Plesiosaur with nods to the traditional dragon icon. Grothmar might be more of a turtle, with the large outer shell covering a (smaller) body underneath.

Or it might be a protective cocoon covering a much smaller body as well. There's a fish in Africa that does this (a membrane it makes to protect itself from drought) but I can't remember the name, aside from the obvious moth comparison as well. To me, it looks like the features we see of Grothmar are heavily armored and made for protection. This might just be the traditional heavily armored dragon we have in world mythology, or it might also just be a specifically made protective armor made to survive millenia of abuse and attacks as well.

draxynnic · Jun 09, 2009, 03:53 AM // 03:53

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Originally Posted by The 8th

Wrong place wrong time. Some would argue that not only playing an MMO but posting on a forum dedicated to discussing and analyzing said MMO would amount to about the same.

And trolling is worse regardless of the venue.

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Originally Posted by Operative 14

Another way to look at it is that Grothmar might not be a 'dragon' in the traditional sense. Primordious looks like an encyclopedic example of what a dragon should look like. Drakkar, however has these weird spiky arms, a flattened head, and looks like a cross between a Preying Mantis and a Plesiosaur with nods to the traditional dragon icon. Grothmar might be more of a turtle, with the large outer shell covering a (smaller) body underneath.

Well, there are plenty of 'turtle dragons' (tortoise dragons, more accurately) both in Guild Wars (although we don't know just what the relationship between Canthan dragons and Ancient dragons is) and real-world mythology (Tarrasque, as well as the inspiration source for the Canthan turtle dragons).

Operative 14 · Jun 09, 2009, 04:43 AM // 04:43

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

Well, there are plenty of 'turtle dragons' (tortoise dragons, more accurately) both in Guild Wars (although we don't know just what the relationship between Canthan dragons and Ancient dragons is) and real-world mythology (Tarrasque, as well as the inspiration source for the Canthan turtle dragons).

Well, see, thereya go.

Free Runner · Jun 09, 2009, 06:56 AM // 06:56

The Dragon of Grothmar Wardowns actually reminds me of a type of dinosaur. I cant actually remember the name of them but heres the one i'm talking about.

Though if the Movement of the World was indeed talking about that dragon when it said one flew over Ascalon, the Grothmar dragon should also have wings.

Operative 14 · Jun 09, 2009, 05:06 PM // 17:06

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

Though if the Movement of the World was indeed talking about that dragon when it said one flew over Ascalon, the Grothmar dragon should also have wings.

Not necessarily, Jade Sea Dragons hardly seem to use their wings. They look like they're vestigial or more for decoration than anything else. It's quite possible that there might be a magical explanation for how both they and Grothmar fly. And hence, why it has to leave an exhaust plume of evil below where it flies.

Obrien Xp · Jun 09, 2009, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

The Dragon of Grothmar Wardowns actually reminds me of a type of dinosaur. I cant actually remember the name of them but heres the one i'm talking about.

-snip pic-

Ankylosaurus. Could also be:Euoplocephalus, Minmi, Pinacosaurus.

If this were true, we'd be seeing something along the lines of Kunnavang with a hardened spike-back. It's far more likely a spinal cord if anyting.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 09, 2009, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by Obrien Xp

If this were true, we'd be seeing something along the lines of Kunnavang with a hardened spike-back.

I actually could see it as a serpent with a back covered in spikes. But I can't see the hardened part *it would need to move around a bit more*.

draxynnic · Jun 10, 2009, 02:07 AM // 02:07

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Originally Posted by Operative 14

Not necessarily, Jade Sea Dragons hardly seem to use their wings. They look like they're vestigial or more for decoration than anything else. It's quite possible that there might be a magical explanation for how both they and Grothmar fly. And hence, why it has to leave an exhaust plume of evil below where it flies.

This would make sense - Asian dragons in mythology fly by means of a magical pearl either in their head or under their neck. Those that have wings do so more as a sign of status than as a physical requirement for flight.

Neo Atomisk · Jun 10, 2009, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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I was gonna say that Grothmar looked like a dinosaur yesterday, stupid ban.
Grothmar could easily be a land-locked Dragon, unless it explicitly states it in the movement of the world, I guess that'd be the case. But if it has been said tht he flies i'm just goin crazy. No wings at all either.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 10, 2009, 05:09 AM // 05:09

What is mentioned in the Movement:

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Only a few years ago, yet another dragon erupted from the northern mountains and flew south over the Charr territory of Ascalon. The land directly below the path of the dragon’s flight was corrupted, becoming a crater of horror. The ground blackened from the dragon's presence and any creatures caught within the wind of its breath twisted and changed.

Not land based.

Operative 14 · Jun 10, 2009, 06:58 AM // 06:58

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Originally Posted by Movement of the World

Only a few years ago, yet another dragon erupted from the northern mountains and flew south over the Charr territory of Ascalon. The land directly below the path of the dragon’s flight was corrupted, becoming a crater of horror. The ground blackened from the dragon's presence and any creatures caught within the wind of its breath twisted and changed.

Though wouldn't the bolded part sort of remove Grothmar as a candidate for that entry? I wouldn't call Grothmar Wardowns the 'northern mountains' exactly. Foothills, maybe. That being the case, that passage seems to indicate Drakkar or the snow dragon north of The Eye. Which means that Grothmar might not be able to fly any better than us or an Ankylosaurus.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 10, 2009, 07:52 AM // 07:52

That's hard to say, to be honest. Of the dragons we've seen, it can't be Drakkar because there is no other dragon to drive the Norn south (the "Ice Pillar" dragon would push them further north, if not split them) and while it can be the "Ice Pillar" dragon, then the question has to be asked who is "Grothmar?"

I'd have to guess that both Grothmar's size and location changes in GW2. Grothmar shrinking and moving to the mountains not far north from where it is now.

Neo Atomisk · Jun 10, 2009, 12:46 PM // 12:46

Honestly, I feel like Grothmar being the water dragon, will be land/water locked.
Malchor comes up from Orr, so it can't be him, right?
I'm having trouble thnking... maybe i should stop doin this for finals x_x

EDIT: lets make a list.

Deep Sea Dragon blocking passage to Cantha - unknown, CANNOT be malchor.
-It is stated that ANOTHER dragon rises from the depths, and apparently controls water.

Undead Dragon from Orr - Malchor
-Stated in movement of the world

Dragon that drives the norn south - Drakkar (?), Ice cliff chasms dragon
-The only dragon I can see driving the norn south, unless the ice cliff chasms serpent is a legit dragon.
-Gunnar's hold fell to creatures of Ice and snow, and if the armie's themes follow the dragons, It has to be Drakkar or the ice dragon, all that matters is if the ice cliff dragon is a true dragon or not.

Dragon that is controlling the Crystal desert - Malchor
I don't know if Malchor can control all of southern tyria, but meh.

Dragon that flies down from The Far Shiverpeaks - Drakkar (?), Primordus
Only plausible one I can see, not mentioned anywhere else. Primordus is in the Shiverpeaks, just northwest of Ascalon, He has wings. It is not explicitly stated that the dragon had just woke up, Primordus had been apparently underground.

I'll edit this bit by bit... Rereading movement of the world.
If you have any input, please, copy+paste the organizer and add what you think.

Free Runner · Jun 10, 2009, 05:15 PM // 17:15

Since the dragon flew South over Ascalon i doubt it is anything other than Grothmar. It sounds more to me like the Movement of the World incorrectly calling the Charr Homelands the Northen Mountains. It cant be the Drakkar Lake dragon because the article hints very heavely at it being the Dragon of Ice and Snow, which is supposed to be holding up in the Far Shiverpeaks. And we still dont know what the lizard thing is yet...

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Deep Sea Dragon blocking passage to Cantha - unknown, CANNOT be malchor.
-It is stated that ANOTHER dragon rises from the depths, and apparently controls water.

Undead Dragon from Orr - Malchor
-Stated in movement of the world

Dragon that drives the norn south - Drakkar (?), Ice cliff chasms dragon
-The only dragon I can see driving the norn south, unless the ice cliff chasms serpent is a legit dragon.
-Gunnar's hold fell to creatures of Ice and snow, and if the armie's themes follow the dragons, It has to be Drakkar or the ice dragon, all that matters is if the ice cliff dragon is a true dragon or not.

Dragon that is controlling the Crystal desert - Malchor
I don't know if Malchor can control all of southern tyria, but meh.

Dragon that flies down from The Far Shiverpeaks - Drakkar (?), Primordus
Only plausible one I can see, not mentioned anywhere else. Primordus is in the Shiverpeaks, just northwest of Ascalon, He has wings. It is not explicitly stated that the dragon had just woke up, Primordus had been apparently underground.

The following ones are confirmed:

- Primordus
- Undead Orrian Dragon
- Dragon of Ice and Snow
- The dragon of Grothmar Wardowns
- Deep Sea Dragon

Then there are the inconsistent ones:

-The Desert Dragon - Unknown if its the same dragon that flew down from the North or a completely new dragon. All thats known is its giving the Order of Whispers trouble.

- The Dragon from the North - I'm pretty sure this is the same dragon that used to reside in Grothmar but its still not confirmed.

- The Lizard - this ones a far stretch. It looks like a ice sculpture but upon closer inspection it is a frozen lizard - and a very large one. So it could be connected to the dragons or it could be a lizard that met its fate. Best bet is some type of general much like the Great Destroyer.

Neo Atomisk · Jun 10, 2009, 08:40 PM // 20:40

But Primordus being the desert dragon seems to work for me... I don't know why.
I am going to see if I can ask a-net the exact amount of ancient dragons in GW2, that should give us a lot of insight on who's who.

Free Runner · Jun 10, 2009, 09:14 PM // 21:14

Primordus cant be the desert dragon. Hes the dragon thats underground driving the Asura out. And the Undead Dragon is if i remember correctly , in Arah.